Comments on: The Label’s Trying to Kill Me: Wale, Freddie Gibbs, Pill, Poochie, and Other Totally Outrageous Paradigms (Part II) http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/17/the-label%e2%80%99s-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-other-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-ii/ I'm a Bartender, I Do Great Things. Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:51:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2 By: Passion of the Weiss http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/17/the-label%e2%80%99s-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-other-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-ii/#comment-156825 Passion of the Weiss Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:49:42 +0000 http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/17/the-label%e2%80%99s-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-other-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-ii/#comment-156825 I've heard if you say the name "Gucci Mane" in the mirror three times, David shows up to lecture you on your purportedly shitty taste in music. Pathetic. I’ve heard if you say the name “Gucci Mane” in the mirror three times, David shows up to lecture you on your purportedly shitty taste in music.

Pathetic.

]]> By: hook http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/17/the-label%e2%80%99s-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-other-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-ii/#comment-156737 hook Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:55:47 +0000 http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/17/the-label%e2%80%99s-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-other-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-ii/#comment-156737 anybody else had enough of david from somanyshrimp? in every thing he writes this dude is like the taste police. get a life son. anybody else had enough of david from somanyshrimp? in every thing he writes this dude is like the taste police. get a life son.

]]> By: Victor http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/17/the-label%e2%80%99s-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-other-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-ii/#comment-156698 Victor Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:05:27 +0000 http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/17/the-label%e2%80%99s-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-other-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-ii/#comment-156698 Wale undoubtedly had a great deal of buzz around the time that each mixtape of his was about to drop. But the nature of the industry now is that they seemingly expect buzz to keep growing with time when it dies out and is extremely fickle. For example, a few months ago Drake was on top of the world, "Best I ever Had" was everywhere. However, he has no lp to capitalise on his buzz and as a result he is going to have to manufact another hit. Even mainstream vets such as Ludacris have struggled in recent years. The best thing for artists, such as Freddie Gibbs and also Wale, to do is to probably just identify their fanbase and attempt to make them fans for life. Someone like Murs is a good example of this, even though his major label situation did not ultimately work out he still has a fanbase to fall on. It would be a great shame if a lot of this generations artists simply disappear and retire due to the treacherous nature of the industry today. Wale undoubtedly had a great deal of buzz around the time that each mixtape of his was about to drop. But the nature of the industry now is that they seemingly expect buzz to keep growing with time when it dies out and is extremely fickle.

For example, a few months ago Drake was on top of the world, “Best I ever Had” was everywhere. However, he has no lp to capitalise on his buzz and as a result he is going to have to manufact another hit.

Even mainstream vets such as Ludacris have struggled in recent years. The best thing for artists, such as Freddie Gibbs and also Wale, to do is to probably just identify their fanbase and attempt to make them fans for life. Someone like Murs is a good example of this, even though his major label situation did not ultimately work out he still has a fanbase to fall on.

It would be a great shame if a lot of this generations artists simply disappear and retire due to the treacherous nature of the industry today.

]]> By: Sach http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/17/the-label%e2%80%99s-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-other-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-ii/#comment-156651 Sach Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:50:53 +0000 http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/17/the-label%e2%80%99s-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-other-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-ii/#comment-156651 Talking about rap period has devolved into an ideological maelstrom. Clearly for some it's no longer enough to like the right rappers, you have to like the right rappers in the right way for the right reasons. Talking about rap period has devolved into an ideological maelstrom. Clearly for some it’s no longer enough to like the right rappers, you have to like the right rappers in the right way for the right reasons.

]]> By: curt http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/17/the-label%e2%80%99s-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-other-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-ii/#comment-156635 curt Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:41:24 +0000 http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/17/the-label%e2%80%99s-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-other-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-ii/#comment-156635 these people are nuts. you are 100% right on everything here. I've been thinking the same thing lately about these great rappers that have no label? wtf is happening to rap. excellent post mr. weiss. these people are nuts. you are 100% right on everything here. I’ve been thinking the same thing lately about these great rappers that have no label? wtf is happening to rap. excellent post mr. weiss.

]]> By: Disco Vietnam http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/17/the-label%e2%80%99s-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-other-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-ii/#comment-156409 Disco Vietnam Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:40:12 +0000 http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/17/the-label%e2%80%99s-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-other-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-ii/#comment-156409 This comment section has devolved into an ideological maelstrom. This comment section has devolved into an ideological maelstrom.

]]> By: simon http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/17/the-label%e2%80%99s-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-other-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-ii/#comment-156407 simon Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:28:37 +0000 http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/17/the-label%e2%80%99s-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-other-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-ii/#comment-156407 searing emotional tangents: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GygEAcFFMVs cold blooded new york lyricism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2GVOGyyFB0 searing emotional tangents:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GygEAcFFMVs

cold blooded new york lyricism:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2GVOGyyFB0

]]> By: jordan s http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/17/the-label%e2%80%99s-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-other-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-ii/#comment-156389 jordan s Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:36:22 +0000 http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/17/the-label%e2%80%99s-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-other-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-ii/#comment-156389 "i think there is a flaw with wale, and that is that he hasn’t shown the ability to translate buzz over great lyrics into profitable music" & wale isn't alone, of course. ask young dro or freeway or the clipse in 2005 etc “i think there is a flaw with wale, and that is that he hasn’t shown the ability to translate buzz over great lyrics into profitable music”

& wale isn’t alone, of course. ask young dro or freeway or the clipse in 2005 etc

]]> By: jordan s http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/17/the-label%e2%80%99s-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-other-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-ii/#comment-156387 jordan s Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:34:40 +0000 http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/17/the-label%e2%80%99s-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-other-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-ii/#comment-156387 i haven't heard "kramer" — what i meant by "and then some" is that 50 & wayne & gucci have put out a whole bunch mixtapes/songs as important to their fans as 'the mixtape about nothing' is to wale fans. i think it's unfortunate that his album flopped but the world isn't owed to you off one critically lauded mixtape. you need to be able to follow that up with your major debut (a la "in da club" or "go crazy" etc) or you need to have put out a mixtape song that works as a pop single (a la "wasted" or "best i ever had" or "day n nite"). i don't think there is a flaw in the system, i think there is a flaw with wale, and that is that he hasn't shown the ability to translate buzz over great lyrics into profitable music. lupe looked like a one hitter until he came back with "superstar". his label didn't forbid him from writing a style of song that made him popular in the first place. i haven’t heard “kramer” — what i meant by “and then some” is that 50 & wayne & gucci have put out a whole bunch mixtapes/songs as important to their fans as ‘the mixtape about nothing’ is to wale fans. i think it’s unfortunate that his album flopped but the world isn’t owed to you off one critically lauded mixtape. you need to be able to follow that up with your major debut (a la “in da club” or “go crazy” etc) or you need to have put out a mixtape song that works as a pop single (a la “wasted” or “best i ever had” or “day n nite”). i don’t think there is a flaw in the system, i think there is a flaw with wale, and that is that he hasn’t shown the ability to translate buzz over great lyrics into profitable music. lupe looked like a one hitter until he came back with “superstar”. his label didn’t forbid him from writing a style of song that made him popular in the first place.

]]> By: Passion of the Weiss http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/17/the-label%e2%80%99s-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-other-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-ii/#comment-156384 Passion of the Weiss Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:20:20 +0000 http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/17/the-label%e2%80%99s-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-other-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-ii/#comment-156384 John Mayer, Josh Groban, will.i.am., and Bono connect with lots of people too. You act like Wale's career is over. I pointed out flaws in the system; I didn't pronounce him D.O.A. At the very least, he fits into the Lupe Fiasco model--who (gasp) has more Myspace Profile Views than Gucci Mane. Not like that really matters, but you're trying to take the populist tack, not me. I do not think that any of the artists you list have written a "Kramer." This is my opinion. It is my blog. John Mayer, Josh Groban, will.i.am., and Bono connect with lots of people too. You act like Wale’s career is over. I pointed out flaws in the system; I didn’t pronounce him D.O.A. At the very least, he fits into the Lupe Fiasco model–who (gasp) has more Myspace Profile Views than Gucci Mane. Not like that really matters, but you’re trying to take the populist tack, not me.

I do not think that any of the artists you list have written a “Kramer.” This is my opinion. It is my blog.

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