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	<title>Comments on: The Label&#8217;s Trying to Kill Me: Wale, Freddie Gibbs, Pill, Poochie, and Other Totally Outrageous Paradigms (Part I)</title>
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		<title>By: Passion of the Weiss</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/11/the-labels-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-i/#comment-154665</link>
		<author>Passion of the Weiss</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. Though I'm willing to bet the goal was to have appeal throughout the entire South too. When I said savvy bet-hedging, I meant it more as in the sense that his Back to the Feature tracklist featured Talib, the Slaughterhouse guys, Skyzoo, and beats from 9th Wonder. With the exception of the token Bun B track, nothing on it indicated any aesthetic kinship with someone like Gucci. I understand he doesn't want to be pigeonholed, but it's not like he had been working with Ro, Boosie, and Pill first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. Though I&#8217;m willing to bet the goal was to have appeal throughout the entire South too. When I said savvy bet-hedging, I meant it more as in the sense that his Back to the Feature tracklist featured Talib, the Slaughterhouse guys, Skyzoo, and beats from 9th Wonder. With the exception of the token Bun B track, nothing on it indicated any aesthetic kinship with someone like Gucci. I understand he doesn&#8217;t want to be pigeonholed, but it&#8217;s not like he had been working with Ro, Boosie, and Pill first.</p>
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		<title>By: noz</title>
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		<author>noz</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He also doesn't have a clear grasp on the audience he does have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He also doesn&#8217;t have a clear grasp on the audience he does have.</p>
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		<title>By: noz</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/11/the-labels-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-i/#comment-154630</link>
		<author>noz</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've mentioned this before but the inclusion of Gucci Mane on "Pretty Girls" was not a pop concession at all. It was a bid for the DC audience. For the past 18 months Gucci has been the DC underground superstar that Wale has longed to be (and often presented himself to the national media as). That he decided to throw Gucci on a Backyard Band classic is no coincidence - it was a last ditch attempt to rally his (perceived) base.

Wale's greatest weakness is that he doesn't know which audience he wants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve mentioned this before but the inclusion of Gucci Mane on &#8220;Pretty Girls&#8221; was not a pop concession at all. It was a bid for the DC audience. For the past 18 months Gucci has been the DC underground superstar that Wale has longed to be (and often presented himself to the national media as). That he decided to throw Gucci on a Backyard Band classic is no coincidence - it was a last ditch attempt to rally his (perceived) base.</p>
<p>Wale&#8217;s greatest weakness is that he doesn&#8217;t know which audience he wants.</p>
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		<title>By: Passion of the Weiss</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/11/the-labels-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-i/#comment-154082</link>
		<author>Passion of the Weiss</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I Get Money" and "Who's Real" were regional hits whose appeal was largely limited to NYC and a few other East Coast cities. They got little or no airplay out here. Radio is a regional beast--for all Gucci's popularity elsewhere, he has next to no profile in LA, and what he does is only because of the Mario and Mariah Carey songs. What I was most struck by when I was interviewing the Jerkin' artists was how much they disliked dudes like Ross, Jeezy, Gucci, and Soulja Boy. Nothing is as uniform as our Internet generalizations would like it to be. 

Wayne was a special case, he was so hot both Internet and street-wise that whatever he turned in was bound to be a huge single. Can you imagine anyone else turning something as unorthodox and amorphous as "A Milli," into a radio single, let alone the biggest one of the year. He had true mass appeal, that Wale might lack. But I think the jury is still out--even Talib Kweli and Dilated Peoples scored big radio hits at one point, y'know. 

As for the possibility that EPMD-influenced stuff may chart again one day: few things are more fickle than rap radio, but we've been locked into a pop phase for a while. Radio thrives on audience participation, call-ins, etc. 13-year olds are the majority of people who call radio stations. 13-year olds like dance songs. It makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I Get Money&#8221; and &#8220;Who&#8217;s Real&#8221; were regional hits whose appeal was largely limited to NYC and a few other East Coast cities. They got little or no airplay out here. Radio is a regional beast&#8211;for all Gucci&#8217;s popularity elsewhere, he has next to no profile in LA, and what he does is only because of the Mario and Mariah Carey songs. What I was most struck by when I was interviewing the Jerkin&#8217; artists was how much they disliked dudes like Ross, Jeezy, Gucci, and Soulja Boy. Nothing is as uniform as our Internet generalizations would like it to be. </p>
<p>Wayne was a special case, he was so hot both Internet and street-wise that whatever he turned in was bound to be a huge single. Can you imagine anyone else turning something as unorthodox and amorphous as &#8220;A Milli,&#8221; into a radio single, let alone the biggest one of the year. He had true mass appeal, that Wale might lack. But I think the jury is still out&#8211;even Talib Kweli and Dilated Peoples scored big radio hits at one point, y&#8217;know. </p>
<p>As for the possibility that EPMD-influenced stuff may chart again one day: few things are more fickle than rap radio, but we&#8217;ve been locked into a pop phase for a while. Radio thrives on audience participation, call-ins, etc. 13-year olds are the majority of people who call radio stations. 13-year olds like dance songs. It makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Tray</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/11/the-labels-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-i/#comment-154078</link>
		<author>Tray</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"While the biggest commercial debuts have been from Drake (Mase-lite)"

I never heard the similarity before. I've thought of him more as a very bland Kanye/Wayne hybrid. But that's a good comparison.

"Right now, the sound of terrestrial radio is consumed by electro-tinged dance rap (a la Cudi, LMFAO), R&#38;B lite rap (Drake, Ross, etc.) or your random fluke hit like “Ice Cream Paint Job.”"

I guess that's so, but just a year or so ago I Get Money was a hit, and this year "Who's Real," which sucks but is at least trying to be a classic NY anthem type of track, was a fairly big hit. 'A Milli' and 'Mr. Carter' were big hits and mostly on the strength of their rapping; neither was R&#38;B or electro-tinged. Maybe Wale just isn't an interesting enough rapper for a pop audience to listen to him unless he does a track with someone they are a fan of. I don't really buy it when you say above that EPMD-influenced rap can never chart. Sure, stuff that attempts to sound like it's still 1988-1996 will not chart, but I don't think that you have to do a song with Lady Gaga, Rihanna or the like (or make something that sounds like Ice Cream Paint Job) to get radio play. Nor, you know, even if it were true that that's the only stuff that will chart, is it this impossible task to make a good song with Lady Gaga or make something danceable. It's just something Wale isn't good at, and that's his failing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While the biggest commercial debuts have been from Drake (Mase-lite)&#8221;</p>
<p>I never heard the similarity before. I&#8217;ve thought of him more as a very bland Kanye/Wayne hybrid. But that&#8217;s a good comparison.</p>
<p>&#8220;Right now, the sound of terrestrial radio is consumed by electro-tinged dance rap (a la Cudi, LMFAO), R&amp;B lite rap (Drake, Ross, etc.) or your random fluke hit like “Ice Cream Paint Job.”&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess that&#8217;s so, but just a year or so ago I Get Money was a hit, and this year &#8220;Who&#8217;s Real,&#8221; which sucks but is at least trying to be a classic NY anthem type of track, was a fairly big hit. &#8216;A Milli&#8217; and &#8216;Mr. Carter&#8217; were big hits and mostly on the strength of their rapping; neither was R&amp;B or electro-tinged. Maybe Wale just isn&#8217;t an interesting enough rapper for a pop audience to listen to him unless he does a track with someone they are a fan of. I don&#8217;t really buy it when you say above that EPMD-influenced rap can never chart. Sure, stuff that attempts to sound like it&#8217;s still 1988-1996 will not chart, but I don&#8217;t think that you have to do a song with Lady Gaga, Rihanna or the like (or make something that sounds like Ice Cream Paint Job) to get radio play. Nor, you know, even if it were true that that&#8217;s the only stuff that will chart, is it this impossible task to make a good song with Lady Gaga or make something danceable. It&#8217;s just something Wale isn&#8217;t good at, and that&#8217;s his failing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jere</title>
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		<author>Jere</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved 808s but couldn't stand Cudi's thing.808s' had hooks all over the place, which made Kanye's literal-mindedness and self-absorption forgivable. Plus, Kanye's a larger-than-life character who can pull that kind of thing off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved 808s but couldn&#8217;t stand Cudi&#8217;s thing.808s&#8217; had hooks all over the place, which made Kanye&#8217;s literal-mindedness and self-absorption forgivable. Plus, Kanye&#8217;s a larger-than-life character who can pull that kind of thing off.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<author>Victor</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the moment the indie route looks infinitely more viable for debut artists. They make money by developing a fan base and then touring. Newcomers such as Blu and Currensy have done this to some success.

I think we can safely say if a newcomer aint rich he aint retiring as it is either rap or get a normal job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the moment the indie route looks infinitely more viable for debut artists. They make money by developing a fan base and then touring. Newcomers such as Blu and Currensy have done this to some success.</p>
<p>I think we can safely say if a newcomer aint rich he aint retiring as it is either rap or get a normal job.</p>
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		<title>By: jz</title>
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		<author>jz</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sach--You said it. 

I was super hyped on Cudi earlier this year. He killed it onstage w Kanye at SXSW--"Day n Night" was one of the most explosive moments of the entire festival. 

Days later he "quit music." WTF? Total buzzkill. Any artist so uncommitted to his craft deserves no commitment from his fans. Everything Cudi after that was a sleepwalk, or a death march to fulfill label obligations. Why should anyone care about a guy who takes no joy in what he's doing? For the most part, his album reflects that joylessness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sach&#8211;You said it. </p>
<p>I was super hyped on Cudi earlier this year. He killed it onstage w Kanye at SXSW&#8211;&#8221;Day n Night&#8221; was one of the most explosive moments of the entire festival. </p>
<p>Days later he &#8220;quit music.&#8221; WTF? Total buzzkill. Any artist so uncommitted to his craft deserves no commitment from his fans. Everything Cudi after that was a sleepwalk, or a death march to fulfill label obligations. Why should anyone care about a guy who takes no joy in what he&#8217;s doing? For the most part, his album reflects that joylessness.</p>
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		<title>By: Drewski</title>
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		<author>Drewski</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent, excellent point, Sach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent, excellent point, Sach.</p>
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		<title>By: Maxipi</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2009/11/11/the-labels-trying-to-kill-me-wale-freddie-gibbs-pill-poochie-and-totally-outrageous-paradigms-part-i/#comment-153898</link>
		<author>Maxipi</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grey clouds up above manee,
Metaphor to my life manee

Sky might fall FTW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grey clouds up above manee,<br />
Metaphor to my life manee</p>
<p>Sky might fall FTW</p>
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