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	<title>Comments on: Idolator-A Love That Shall Never Wayne</title>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2008/04/01/idolator-a-love-that-shall-never-wayne/#comment-24929</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 04:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THANK YOU for posting the original. i got tired of hearing the crap second effort on an already 2nd rate (second rate for wayne that is) song.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANK YOU for posting the original. i got tired of hearing the crap second effort on an already 2nd rate (second rate for wayne that is) song.</p>
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		<title>By: DocZeus</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2008/04/01/idolator-a-love-that-shall-never-wayne/#comment-10437</link>
		<dc:creator>DocZeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t think anyone is claiming either of those things, Doctor Z.&quot;

No but they act like it which is just as annoying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t think anyone is claiming either of those things, Doctor Z.&#8221;</p>
<p>No but they act like it which is just as annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: Renato Pagnani</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2008/04/01/idolator-a-love-that-shall-never-wayne/#comment-10416</link>
		<dc:creator>Renato Pagnani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 04:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think anyone is claiming either of those things, Doctor Z.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone is claiming either of those things, Doctor Z.</p>
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		<title>By: DocZeus</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2008/04/01/idolator-a-love-that-shall-never-wayne/#comment-10415</link>
		<dc:creator>DocZeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 02:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh true, their voices are night and day different otherwise it would be obvious but Wayne is not the first person in history to use an unorthodox delivery and I wish some critics would acknowledge that. Nor is he the first to use stream-of-conscious lyricism, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh true, their voices are night and day different otherwise it would be obvious but Wayne is not the first person in history to use an unorthodox delivery and I wish some critics would acknowledge that. Nor is he the first to use stream-of-conscious lyricism, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Trey Stone</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2008/04/01/idolator-a-love-that-shall-never-wayne/#comment-10414</link>
		<dc:creator>Trey Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>think you&#039;re using &quot;biting&quot; in a real liberal sense here. granted they&#039;ve both got weird voices and deliveries (or in ODB&#039;s case, weird-er,) but otherwise...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>think you&#8217;re using &#8220;biting&#8221; in a real liberal sense here. granted they&#8217;ve both got weird voices and deliveries (or in ODB&#8217;s case, weird-er,) but otherwise&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DocZeus</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2008/04/01/idolator-a-love-that-shall-never-wayne/#comment-10408</link>
		<dc:creator>DocZeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically, you summed every single reservation about the Lil Wayne phenomenon in one post. 

How somebody at a major publication hasn&#039;t put it together that Wayne&#039;s biting Ol&#039; Dirty Bastard when he pulls his weirdo vocal tics, I&#039;ll never know. It&#039;s completely frustrating to me as an amateur historian that people don&#039;t make these connections and act as if Wayne is re-writing the book on hip hop lyricism on the fly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically, you summed every single reservation about the Lil Wayne phenomenon in one post. </p>
<p>How somebody at a major publication hasn&#8217;t put it together that Wayne&#8217;s biting Ol&#8217; Dirty Bastard when he pulls his weirdo vocal tics, I&#8217;ll never know. It&#8217;s completely frustrating to me as an amateur historian that people don&#8217;t make these connections and act as if Wayne is re-writing the book on hip hop lyricism on the fly.</p>
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		<title>By: Trey Stone</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2008/04/01/idolator-a-love-that-shall-never-wayne/#comment-10406</link>
		<dc:creator>Trey Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i know what you&#039;re saying, and i&#039;d agree that if Wayne needs a definitive album if he doesn&#039;t want to become known essentially as an &quot;unfulfilled potential&quot; rapper. my point is just that the raw skill&#039;s there. his mixtape material is definitely inconsistent and i&#039;d be lying if i said i really listen to any of &#039;em front to back much now, but even on the songs i don&#039;t like for one reason or another (wack beat or whatever) he&#039;s usually technically on-point, even though he occasionally tries some wack flows.

even though i don&#039;t like the dude i think 50 Cent had a smart point with the whole &quot;good rapper vs. good songwriter&quot; deal with Wayne. that&#039;s why people&#039;re putting so much weight on &quot;Carter III.&quot;

as far as the leniency you&#039;re talking about goes, if some of dude&#039;s recent mixtapes/leaks were sold as actual studio albums you&#039;d probably see people being more critical toward &#039;em. i think part of it&#039;s just a matter of people taking a more casual approach toward mixtapes, select critical hyperbole over &quot;Da Drought 3&quot; aside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i know what you&#8217;re saying, and i&#8217;d agree that if Wayne needs a definitive album if he doesn&#8217;t want to become known essentially as an &#8220;unfulfilled potential&#8221; rapper. my point is just that the raw skill&#8217;s there. his mixtape material is definitely inconsistent and i&#8217;d be lying if i said i really listen to any of &#8216;em front to back much now, but even on the songs i don&#8217;t like for one reason or another (wack beat or whatever) he&#8217;s usually technically on-point, even though he occasionally tries some wack flows.</p>
<p>even though i don&#8217;t like the dude i think 50 Cent had a smart point with the whole &#8220;good rapper vs. good songwriter&#8221; deal with Wayne. that&#8217;s why people&#8217;re putting so much weight on &#8220;Carter III.&#8221;</p>
<p>as far as the leniency you&#8217;re talking about goes, if some of dude&#8217;s recent mixtapes/leaks were sold as actual studio albums you&#8217;d probably see people being more critical toward &#8216;em. i think part of it&#8217;s just a matter of people taking a more casual approach toward mixtapes, select critical hyperbole over &#8220;Da Drought 3&#8243; aside.</p>
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		<title>By: Zilla Rocca</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2008/04/01/idolator-a-love-that-shall-never-wayne/#comment-10394</link>
		<dc:creator>Zilla Rocca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trey:

I wanted to add to your point:

&quot; but i can’t really get with the idea that he’d go from OK to great if he flowed and rhymed the exact same but about more important topics&quot;

It&#039;s not that Wayne isn&#039;t good now--it&#039;s that he&#039;s only great is really, really small portions of his music.  I listened to both Carter albums and both Dedications (roughly 80 songs, give or take).  Out of 80, I&#039;d say 20-25 had any replay value.  It&#039;s not his topics--he covers the same shit on every song.  It&#039;s the overall quality of songs that&#039;s lacking with Wayne.

The problem is that no one on the internet seems to call out Wayne&#039;s wack songs.  He&#039;s talented, has a weird ass voice, and experiments frequently with cadence, inflection, and flows, all commendable for any MC.  But he has a shaky catalogue and an internet-only pedigree in the hip hop cannon.  Nas and Jay catch SO MUCH SHIT on the internet with every release, whereas Wayne doesn&#039;t.  

Both Jay and Nas are at least top 10 all time with classics under their belt, and on a pure skill level they still bring it 10-15 years after they came out.  But everytime they drop, people hate because it&#039;s &quot;not as good as Illmatic&quot; nor as &quot;introspective as Blueprint&quot; or whatever.  Jay and Nas do make bad songs and bad albums, and do get called out on it.  Wayne doesn&#039;t.  That&#039;s the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trey:</p>
<p>I wanted to add to your point:</p>
<p>&#8221; but i can’t really get with the idea that he’d go from OK to great if he flowed and rhymed the exact same but about more important topics&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that Wayne isn&#8217;t good now&#8211;it&#8217;s that he&#8217;s only great is really, really small portions of his music.  I listened to both Carter albums and both Dedications (roughly 80 songs, give or take).  Out of 80, I&#8217;d say 20-25 had any replay value.  It&#8217;s not his topics&#8211;he covers the same shit on every song.  It&#8217;s the overall quality of songs that&#8217;s lacking with Wayne.</p>
<p>The problem is that no one on the internet seems to call out Wayne&#8217;s wack songs.  He&#8217;s talented, has a weird ass voice, and experiments frequently with cadence, inflection, and flows, all commendable for any MC.  But he has a shaky catalogue and an internet-only pedigree in the hip hop cannon.  Nas and Jay catch SO MUCH SHIT on the internet with every release, whereas Wayne doesn&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>Both Jay and Nas are at least top 10 all time with classics under their belt, and on a pure skill level they still bring it 10-15 years after they came out.  But everytime they drop, people hate because it&#8217;s &#8220;not as good as Illmatic&#8221; nor as &#8220;introspective as Blueprint&#8221; or whatever.  Jay and Nas do make bad songs and bad albums, and do get called out on it.  Wayne doesn&#8217;t.  That&#8217;s the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Deen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s not as good at &quot;his&quot; stream of consciousness brand of lyricism as say Ghostface was on Supreme Clientele.  I just wanted to mention that real quick.

Next flow please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s not as good at &#8220;his&#8221; stream of consciousness brand of lyricism as say Ghostface was on Supreme Clientele.  I just wanted to mention that real quick.</p>
<p>Next flow please.</p>
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		<title>By: Wes</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2008/04/01/idolator-a-love-that-shall-never-wayne/#comment-10381</link>
		<dc:creator>Wes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i enjoyed reading the essay, even if i don&#039;t necessarily agree with you. it was refreshing to read a level-headed take on the wayne phenomenon. 

good or bad aside, i find it hard to believe you don&#039;t find anything weird about lollipop. 50 would have spit weird sexual come-ons, but wayne is so confident (or arrogant) that he didn&#039;t even feel the need to rap on the track. also, the hook is a joke (funny because its so lame) off of the black eyed peas&#039; &quot;my humps&quot;. how is that for weird?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i enjoyed reading the essay, even if i don&#8217;t necessarily agree with you. it was refreshing to read a level-headed take on the wayne phenomenon. </p>
<p>good or bad aside, i find it hard to believe you don&#8217;t find anything weird about lollipop. 50 would have spit weird sexual come-ons, but wayne is so confident (or arrogant) that he didn&#8217;t even feel the need to rap on the track. also, the hook is a joke (funny because its so lame) off of the black eyed peas&#8217; &#8220;my humps&#8221;. how is that for weird?</p>
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