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		<title>By: Passion of the Weiss</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2006/03/07/taking-out-the-crash/#comment-356</link>
		<dc:creator>Passion of the Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 23:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to know not everyone hates me. Just most.</description>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2006/03/07/taking-out-the-crash/#comment-353</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friend Jeremy had this to say about this post:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I also love that guy&#039;s Blog on &quot;Crash&quot;, I honestly thought I was the only person in the world&lt;br/&gt;who wasn&#039;t duped by how mediocre a film that was ( perpetuating old&lt;br/&gt;stereotypes and exploiting them for sensationalism, yeah, let&#039;s reward that&lt;br/&gt;:P ).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend Jeremy had this to say about this post:</p>
<p>I also love that guy&#8217;s Blog on &#8220;Crash&#8221;, I honestly thought I was the only person in the world<br />who wasn&#8217;t duped by how mediocre a film that was ( perpetuating old<br />stereotypes and exploiting them for sensationalism, yeah, let&#8217;s reward that<br /> <img src='http://passionweiss.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  ).</p>
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		<title>By: matt a</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2006/03/07/taking-out-the-crash/#comment-348</link>
		<dc:creator>matt a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen The Sq. and The Whale three times, all in one week. I loved it THAT much. Def. my fave of this year, match point was also good, the ending was okay but the first 3/4 was excellent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen The Sq. and The Whale three times, all in one week. I loved it THAT much. Def. my fave of this year, match point was also good, the ending was okay but the first 3/4 was excellent.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2006/03/07/taking-out-the-crash/#comment-347</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Squid and the Whale and Match Point were my favorites this year.  And you don&#039;t have to be PC around this bitch either.  We all know David M. is not that bright of a guy.  Just kidding, Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Squid and the Whale and Match Point were my favorites this year.  And you don&#8217;t have to be PC around this bitch either.  We all know David M. is not that bright of a guy.  Just kidding, Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Passion of the Weiss</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2006/03/07/taking-out-the-crash/#comment-346</link>
		<dc:creator>Passion of the Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2006 22:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say I completely agree with Matt. Nate, your dad made a very good point. Perhaps Wal-Mart America does need to see the film. I can definitely live with that. However, I guess more than anything that outrages me about the film (and I think this is where Matt and I are coming from being aspiring writers) is the writerly flaws. It&#039;s just so half-baked and poorly conceived. But maybe Wal-mart america needs such a synthsized and contrived message. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I know that smart people do like it as David M. and Brent are clearly both very intelligent people. It&#039;s just that I think if it had been done better than it could&#039;ve been a movie for the ages. I do not think anyone will remember it in five years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And as for my movie of the year, hands down: The Squid and the Whale. I felt that and Capote were the only truly outstanding movies I saw all year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say I completely agree with Matt. Nate, your dad made a very good point. Perhaps Wal-Mart America does need to see the film. I can definitely live with that. However, I guess more than anything that outrages me about the film (and I think this is where Matt and I are coming from being aspiring writers) is the writerly flaws. It&#8217;s just so half-baked and poorly conceived. But maybe Wal-mart america needs such a synthsized and contrived message. </p>
<p>I know that smart people do like it as David M. and Brent are clearly both very intelligent people. It&#8217;s just that I think if it had been done better than it could&#8217;ve been a movie for the ages. I do not think anyone will remember it in five years.</p>
<p>And as for my movie of the year, hands down: The Squid and the Whale. I felt that and Capote were the only truly outstanding movies I saw all year.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt a</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2006/03/07/taking-out-the-crash/#comment-343</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there&#039;s one good thing about this film, its that everyone has an opinion. Personally, as I said to Nate when we walked out at the end of the film, and as i said to my brother when he did give up on it half-way through, Crash is a film for very simple minded people to declare &quot;Wow! What a film!&quot; I don&#039;t think it was original, it was poorly written, and the themes were outlandishly simple and predictable. However, I couldn&#039;t agree more with Nate&#039;s dad, perhaps this movie needed its due recognition for the people of &quot;Wal-Mart America&quot; to be exposed to this rudimentary work. Maybe its because I work in DT LA that I see this stuff on a daily basis, and therefore think its normal and unworthy, even immaterial, but again maybe there really are some people that were blown away by the elementary assembly of worn themes and for them I guess its good that they were able to get some exposure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there&#8217;s one good thing about this film, its that everyone has an opinion. Personally, as I said to Nate when we walked out at the end of the film, and as i said to my brother when he did give up on it half-way through, Crash is a film for very simple minded people to declare &#8220;Wow! What a film!&#8221; I don&#8217;t think it was original, it was poorly written, and the themes were outlandishly simple and predictable. However, I couldn&#8217;t agree more with Nate&#8217;s dad, perhaps this movie needed its due recognition for the people of &#8220;Wal-Mart America&#8221; to be exposed to this rudimentary work. Maybe its because I work in DT LA that I see this stuff on a daily basis, and therefore think its normal and unworthy, even immaterial, but again maybe there really are some people that were blown away by the elementary assembly of worn themes and for them I guess its good that they were able to get some exposure.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2006/03/07/taking-out-the-crash/#comment-342</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here is what my dad (who is half white/half black and has a better perspective on race in Los Angeles than most) had to say about your review:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I liked the film, even though your friend has many valid points.  It was the best film of this years crop of films to be considered for best picture.  It deserved to be best film over &quot;Broke Back.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;The most ironic thing about the film for me was it was supposed to be an anti-rascist film, and yet the only character in the film to die was a dark young black man. Typical hollywood film industry rascism in my opinion. &quot;Match Point&quot; was the film I liked the most.  But even though&quot;Crash&quot; is a bit contrived, it is a film &quot;WALMART&quot; america needs to see.  Winning best picture may accomplish that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Here is what my dad (who is half white/half black and has a better perspective on race in Los Angeles than most) had to say about your review:</p>
<p>I liked the film, even though your friend has many valid points.  It was the best film of this years crop of films to be considered for best picture.  It deserved to be best film over &#8220;Broke Back.&#8221;<br />The most ironic thing about the film for me was it was supposed to be an anti-rascist film, and yet the only character in the film to die was a dark young black man. Typical hollywood film industry rascism in my opinion. &#8220;Match Point&#8221; was the film I liked the most.  But even though&#8221;Crash&#8221; is a bit contrived, it is a film &#8220;WALMART&#8221; america needs to see.  Winning best picture may accomplish that.</p>
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		<title>By: David Massaband</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2006/03/07/taking-out-the-crash/#comment-341</link>
		<dc:creator>David Massaband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, (&amp; Nate for that matter), I will have to respectfully DISAGREE! I consider myself a funny &amp; somewhat intelligent person &amp; I really LIked the Movie! I liked how they stereotyped people. Ofcourse it was not accurate, but that is what made it enjoyable. If you want to see a damn documentary then this isn&#039;t the movie for you! I am not &quot;racist&quot; just b/c I liked the extreme &amp; unrealistic scenes in the movie. Maybe it&#039;s b/c I liked the way all the people have to do w/ each other in some way, just like the movie Snatch, which I also loved. So, all in all, I think it was a great choice to win Best picture, other than maybe Wedding Crashers or 40 Yr. Old virgin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, (&#038; Nate for that matter), I will have to respectfully DISAGREE! I consider myself a funny &#038; somewhat intelligent person &#038; I really LIked the Movie! I liked how they stereotyped people. Ofcourse it was not accurate, but that is what made it enjoyable. If you want to see a damn documentary then this isn&#8217;t the movie for you! I am not &#8220;racist&#8221; just b/c I liked the extreme &#038; unrealistic scenes in the movie. Maybe it&#8217;s b/c I liked the way all the people have to do w/ each other in some way, just like the movie Snatch, which I also loved. So, all in all, I think it was a great choice to win Best picture, other than maybe Wedding Crashers or 40 Yr. Old virgin!</p>
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		<title>By: Passion of the Weiss</title>
		<link>http://passionweiss.com/2006/03/07/taking-out-the-crash/#comment-338</link>
		<dc:creator>Passion of the Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2006 02:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slav: That&#039;s all I can ask for. And I&#039;m sure that the racial themes are on-point elsewhere. As you mentioned it happened to your friend in Baltimore which is the South. I must admit I&#039;m a bit skeptical about it happening in Los Angeles which is the only geographic locale I&#039;m really qualified to speak of. &lt;br/&gt;And about Three 6, yeah it was pretty bad, I really wish they could&#039;ve chosen something more indicative of the side of hip hop that most of us choose to listen to when we aren&#039;t in a nightclub (which for me is practically always). &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Nate: Thanks for the support,  I appreciate it. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anonymous: thanks for bringing my attention to those articles. They were both very interesting to read:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Brent: I obviously respect your points and think many of them are valid. As I mentioned, many very intelligent people like yourself shared different beliefs with me about this film and it obviously struck a nerve. However, I&#039;m not sure how much of my post you read as you mentioned you didn&#039;t finish reading, but I do discuss my feelings from a writer&#039;s perspective about the film. To me this is the film&#039;s most grave flaw (and maybe I should&#039;ve began with this critique). &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As you mentioned, the film does show a kind of racism rarely depicted in the movies, mainly that people of all races can be racist. This point is something that probably did need to be addressed in a movie. My main problem is that I feel the writer director created stereotypes rather than characters. With stereotypes it&#039;s almost impossible to send &quot;a message&quot; unless it&#039;s a straight satirical film, which Crash is not. To convey this theme properly, Paul Haggis needed to create real characters not these flimsy ideas of what people of different races act like. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;About staying to watch the whole film: I wanted to give it a chance. As I was watching it at home it didn&#039;t take much of an effort and sometimes a poor first half of a film can be redeemed by a good second half. I didn&#039;t feel I&#039;d have a right to judge this movie unless I&#039;d seen it&#039;s resolution. But I did consider turning it off halfway through. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for the other Oscar films, much like you I didn&#039;t identify with the themes in Brokeback Mountain. Maybe I should have seen it but I didn&#039;t. I agree with your points there. However, I have seen &quot;The Ice Storm,&quot; another movie that Ang Lee did and was very impressed. He is very talented and I do have no doubt that Brokeback is prolly a very good movie, even if the subject matter is not my cup of tea. I did see Capote however and loved it, so I am at least sure that I liked one best picture nominee a great deal more than Crash. And I do agree that Crash&#039;s subject matter was compelling and I think a major reason why people liked the film. However, no matter how interesting a subject matter is, it does not necessarily make it a good film (though it may make it compelling and for the record Crash IS a compelling discussion topic which I admit does give it some credebility in some way). &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In the end, even though we may disagree on the film&#039;s merit, I&#039;m glad you commented and appreciate the film if nothing else for the fact that it allows for sober and honest discussion and dialogue no matter what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slav: That&#8217;s all I can ask for. And I&#8217;m sure that the racial themes are on-point elsewhere. As you mentioned it happened to your friend in Baltimore which is the South. I must admit I&#8217;m a bit skeptical about it happening in Los Angeles which is the only geographic locale I&#8217;m really qualified to speak of. <br />And about Three 6, yeah it was pretty bad, I really wish they could&#8217;ve chosen something more indicative of the side of hip hop that most of us choose to listen to when we aren&#8217;t in a nightclub (which for me is practically always). </p>
<p>Nate: Thanks for the support,  I appreciate it. </p>
<p>Anonymous: thanks for bringing my attention to those articles. They were both very interesting to read:</p>
<p>Brent: I obviously respect your points and think many of them are valid. As I mentioned, many very intelligent people like yourself shared different beliefs with me about this film and it obviously struck a nerve. However, I&#8217;m not sure how much of my post you read as you mentioned you didn&#8217;t finish reading, but I do discuss my feelings from a writer&#8217;s perspective about the film. To me this is the film&#8217;s most grave flaw (and maybe I should&#8217;ve began with this critique). </p>
<p>As you mentioned, the film does show a kind of racism rarely depicted in the movies, mainly that people of all races can be racist. This point is something that probably did need to be addressed in a movie. My main problem is that I feel the writer director created stereotypes rather than characters. With stereotypes it&#8217;s almost impossible to send &#8220;a message&#8221; unless it&#8217;s a straight satirical film, which Crash is not. To convey this theme properly, Paul Haggis needed to create real characters not these flimsy ideas of what people of different races act like. </p>
<p>About staying to watch the whole film: I wanted to give it a chance. As I was watching it at home it didn&#8217;t take much of an effort and sometimes a poor first half of a film can be redeemed by a good second half. I didn&#8217;t feel I&#8217;d have a right to judge this movie unless I&#8217;d seen it&#8217;s resolution. But I did consider turning it off halfway through. </p>
<p>As for the other Oscar films, much like you I didn&#8217;t identify with the themes in Brokeback Mountain. Maybe I should have seen it but I didn&#8217;t. I agree with your points there. However, I have seen &#8220;The Ice Storm,&#8221; another movie that Ang Lee did and was very impressed. He is very talented and I do have no doubt that Brokeback is prolly a very good movie, even if the subject matter is not my cup of tea. I did see Capote however and loved it, so I am at least sure that I liked one best picture nominee a great deal more than Crash. And I do agree that Crash&#8217;s subject matter was compelling and I think a major reason why people liked the film. However, no matter how interesting a subject matter is, it does not necessarily make it a good film (though it may make it compelling and for the record Crash IS a compelling discussion topic which I admit does give it some credebility in some way). </p>
<p>In the end, even though we may disagree on the film&#8217;s merit, I&#8217;m glad you commented and appreciate the film if nothing else for the fact that it allows for sober and honest discussion and dialogue no matter what.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tisk, tisk, tisk. I can&#039;t believe you took that much time to write that much B.S. about a film. I didn&#039;t even bother to finish reading your post Passion of the Weiss. Obviously, Crash covered racism issues and stereotypes, and yes, the writer and director attacked those issues early on in the movie, but there is a reason why my friend. Crash took a different approach to pointing out how people discriminate against each other. Instead of coming straight out and saying &quot;This shit needs to stop.&quot; the movie showed how all people of different cultures came at each other sideways. It&#039;s not just a so-called black vs. white issue which is overdone repeatedly.  While watching the movie, you got so hung up on the way the racism came across, that you missed the point all at once. And boy is that sad. If the movie was that bad from the beginning, why in the hell did you stay and watch? It&#039;s not like this was a 30-minute show or something. You actually paid attention to the entire so-called horrible story. And in the end, what do you do?? Write a terrible commentary on the film.  I could understand if you approached it like &quot;you, know, I didn&#039;t think Crash should have got Best Picture.&quot; What was your input? To be honest with you, I didn&#039;t even see the other movies that were nominated. That doesn&#039;t mean that I&#039;m running for the hills when I see a preview of a movie with homosexual cowboys. But honestly, how could I, or a lot of people in the voting boxes be that intrigued or even interested in a story like that which I or they could not relate to whatsoever?? It&#039;s kind of hard to do when a compelling movie like Crash that just about everyone on planet Earth (or at least in the U.S.) can relate to.Think about it my friend. Buy the DVD and pay better attention.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;B.Nash (yeah, I&#039;m putting myself out there.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tisk, tisk, tisk. I can&#8217;t believe you took that much time to write that much B.S. about a film. I didn&#8217;t even bother to finish reading your post Passion of the Weiss. Obviously, Crash covered racism issues and stereotypes, and yes, the writer and director attacked those issues early on in the movie, but there is a reason why my friend. Crash took a different approach to pointing out how people discriminate against each other. Instead of coming straight out and saying &#8220;This shit needs to stop.&#8221; the movie showed how all people of different cultures came at each other sideways. It&#8217;s not just a so-called black vs. white issue which is overdone repeatedly.  While watching the movie, you got so hung up on the way the racism came across, that you missed the point all at once. And boy is that sad. If the movie was that bad from the beginning, why in the hell did you stay and watch? It&#8217;s not like this was a 30-minute show or something. You actually paid attention to the entire so-called horrible story. And in the end, what do you do?? Write a terrible commentary on the film.  I could understand if you approached it like &#8220;you, know, I didn&#8217;t think Crash should have got Best Picture.&#8221; What was your input? To be honest with you, I didn&#8217;t even see the other movies that were nominated. That doesn&#8217;t mean that I&#8217;m running for the hills when I see a preview of a movie with homosexual cowboys. But honestly, how could I, or a lot of people in the voting boxes be that intrigued or even interested in a story like that which I or they could not relate to whatsoever?? It&#8217;s kind of hard to do when a compelling movie like Crash that just about everyone on planet Earth (or at least in the U.S.) can relate to.Think about it my friend. Buy the DVD and pay better attention.</p>
<p>B.Nash (yeah, I&#8217;m putting myself out there.)</p>
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